--> The Star of Bethlehem

Comment from: Steve [Visitor]
God always shows us his great plan. The Magi are astrologers who knew the teaching of Balaam. That a star in the future would show them the birth of Prince of Israel. Numbers 24.17 The constellations are a great story about Gods plan. And when we look past mans fables, we begin to understand the signs of the stars. Seeking the truth sure is fun.
02/19/09 @ 11:57
Comment from: Vaughn Tongs [Visitor]
Wonderful Article!!!
I have recently become very interested in Heavenly events and there Biblical significants. A number of sources have stimulated this interest and they have come across my path independantly of each other. Sources such as Velikovsky's Book 'Worlds In Collosion' (Abacus)re. the Exodus, plagues and signs etc.and the involvment of Mars and venus as possible comets interacting with earth.
An provocative presentation re. the last days, the Lords return, 7 year tribulation and associated events etc. Dewey Bruton 'Daniels Timeline' (view on youtube 'Daniels Timeline').
I wanted to search out the significants of our Lords birth and what the celestial events surrounding his arrival were. Your site has been informative, exciting and extremely rewarding as it once again confirms to me that our Lord is master of all and has set in time and space his signature for all who search for him to see.
God Bless

Vaughn Tongs


Dewey Bruton
06/08/09 @ 05:17
Comment from: Snuggie [Visitor] · http://snuggie.me
This was very insightful. I am always intriqued by challenges and dicrepancies on this subject, perhaps because it is so highly debated.
10/28/09 @ 17:29
Comment from: Rich Savage [Visitor] Email · http://www.MessiahOrNot.com
- The celestial events during the last decade BCE seem especially predictive (in their astrological symbolism) of the coming of the prophesied Jewish "King." Being a retired statistician, I’m trying to come up with a rigorous estimate of the probability of all those relevant starry events occurring within the 5 years immediately prior to the apparent birth of Jesus. As it turns out, I’m having a lot of difficulty tracking down the relevant numbers, and I’m hoping that someone here can help…
- First, where can I find the frequency of specific astronomical events? For instance, how often do Jupiter and Venus come into conjunction? Then, how often do they come into conjunction in Leo? Then, how often do they come within .5 arc minutes of each other, in Leo? Then, how often does all this happen over Judea -- as seen from Babylonia and Persia? I could probably answer the first couple of questions for myself -- but then, even just those would probably take me as long as it took Kepler to figure out the Laws of Planetary Motion.
- Next, I could use something of a bibliography for the symbolism. Where do we first find, for instance, that Saturn was considered protector of the Jews, or that the ancient Chinese, Chaldians and Egyptians all attached much the same meaning to the different signs in the Zodiac?
Then, I need to know if the celestial hand we were dealt during this time period actually “stands out.” What other celestial events could be related to the birth of the coming Jewish King? Are there so many of these that the actual combination of relevant events that did occur during that time span is really nothing to write home about – is not significant?
Any help with any of these would be greatly appreciated.
11/09/09 @ 11:30
Comment from: wpjo [Visitor]
Resume: An interpretation of the Star of Bethlehem based upon cultural facts and historical observations and which eludes all contradictions why the three Magi went West saw a star indicating East while going West and why this star has only been observed in the Middle-East.

Matthew 2:2 writes that they ''saw His star rising in the East".

By reconstructing the sky about the year zero, one should remark that in 2 BC Spica is about going through the Zodiac equator and that at the spring-equinox this star rises exactly in the East. This is most remarkable for two reasons. On the one hand, Spica passes the equator only twice every 25900 years and on the other, while doing so, Spica points exactly East the night of the spring equinox.

This event matches perfectly the most recent historical views Jesus should have been born at 2 or 1 BC [http://askelm.com/star/star001.htm] and not, as presumed since the 19th century, between 7 and 5 BC.

The very difference between the astronomers/ astrologers of Greece c.q. the Middle-East and others, was that the first understood the sky to be dynamic. The very fact that the direction of the North pole is not fixed, which has to do directly with the precession of the earth, was already realised by the Greek since the 4th century BC. Or stated otherwise : in this part of the world one considered implicitly that the star coordinates were shifting with time. Or stated more explicitly, one expected Spica, one of the three brightest stars next to the Zodiac equator, to move and to be positioned sooner or later exactly on it.

Hipparcus (in his writing "Περὶ τὴς μεταπτώσεως τῶν τροπικῶν καὶ ἐαρινῶν ἰσημερίων", [http://wapedia.mobi/fr/Hipparque]), about 130 BC, is the first who described this feature quantitatively even if the effects of the precession were observed already centuries before. Remarkable is the very fact he took Spica as an example and that he estimated the translation for this star to be over 1 degree per century (real value 1° per 72 year).

Most probably, the three Magi from the East were acquainted with this theory and they observed Spica or at least, the were awaiting for the very day it should slip through the equator and rise exactly in the very East in the night of the spring equinox. And this 'observing' of 'awaiting' has been rendered in the simple words of Matthew as 'saw'. I would like to insist that the Chinese and other cultures 'saw' this event as well, but since they didn't realise what they saw, their 'saw' was just limited to that point and never reached the level of 'observe' as did the three Magi. This explains why this star has been 'seen' (in the wordage of St Mathew) only in the Middle-East and nowhere else.

The third and for the Gospel of Matthew most relevant fact is that the name of Spica in Arabic is 'Al-Zimach' and in Hebrew 'Tsemech' . In English translation this means "the branch" and within the biblical context which uses this word only four times, the "branch which issues the Machiah".

Based upon these data and combining them with the most remarkable series of conjunctions between 7 and 2 BC who took place in the constellation Leo, it is very probable indeed that the three Magi from the East were attending the very moment that Al-Zimach (Spica) should rise exactly in the East while slipping through the equinox. It is also most probably they constructed some link between the foregoing conjunctions and Al-Zimach. And thus, according these presumptions, they interpreted most literally the label on Al-Zimach ('Al-Zimach' = 'Tsemech' = "[the] branch [if David/ Yahweh from which sprouts the Machiah]") and thus, they followed the direction indicated by this label and they went West to Jerusalem for there, and nowhere else, was the house or the Temple of Yahweh.

According this interpretation they went West even if they saw the star rising in the East.

Other explanations have been given as well. E.g., the star of Bethlehem has been identified as being Halley's comet, the star Regulus, a supernova which should have been observed only in the East and even UFO's. It should be clear that all of the explanations should be confronted with the text as given by Matthew and the historical and cultural context of the time and that eventual contradictions should have to be explained.

Author/ copyright: oomenwong@free.fr
12/02/09 @ 06:15
Comment from: Rollan McCleary [Visitor] · http://www.rollanmccleary.com
I am a doctor of religious studies and also a qualified astrologer. Over the years I have radically developed a respected line in astronomical and historical research as regards Christ's birth. Astronomy is a guide towards establishing a birth date but astrology (and the Magi were astrologers) will give whatever there is of final proof and anything exact like a birth time on a given date and a meaningful pattern that will work for Christ issues across time.

I maintain there is one date and time alone which, if we apply to astronomy and traditional astrology in addition the latest micro-astrology which includes such as name, place and concept asteroids, this can supply a fully working horoscope for Jesus. It can in fact be seen to be so precise against all statistical probability it cannot not belong to Jesus. Even the names of his ancestors turn up in his house of origins and family.

The pattern is so revealing some "no room at the inn" principle takes over. At any rate media and publishing so far prove hostile and suppressive of the relevant discovery even from a published and critically successful author in religion. These last few days not even one PR message has been acknowledged on this subject while denials of the birth narratives from such theologians as Borg and Crossan are receiving publicity. The truth in this area, as in much else about Christ, is for those who seek and genuinely desire it.

See the Section: Testament of the Magi at my website at
www.rollanmccleary.com
If you read the book (excerpts are at www.fReado.com which is presently featuring me as an author) and have remaining doubts perhaps you would be a bit difficult - at any rate it is hard to imagine anyone would ever turn up anything as remotely suggestive in a very long time. The data works expressively not just for the birth but the Easter week whose dating is also conclusively resolved.
12/08/09 @ 06:57
Comment from: Mary Daly [Visitor] · http://hedgeschool.com
Dear Susan Carroll I am rereading your essay which first so pleased me four years ago. I would like to share some of the information on my blog. But I have a concern. Rod Kennedy of the Casper Planetarium http://www.universetoday.com/2004/10/29/venus-and-jupiters-upcoming-conjunction/
says that the August 12 of 3 BC conjunction of Venus and Jupiter was in the constellation Leo, not Cancer and that they were 10 arcminutes apart, not 4.2, though still not distinugishable naked eye, he says. At least, the light would merge, which is not quite the same thing. But they are both very bright, and could merge at a distance which would not merge dimmer things perhaps. Anyway, I'm checking, and wonder if you have any more information, or your source.
The reason I came across this is that I was trying to figure out your statement that "Just 33 days after the Jupiter/Venus “morning star” conjunction, on August 12, 3 BC, Jupiter came to within 19.8’ of Regulus. " But that would mean that the upiter Venus connection and the jupiter Regulus conjunction were on different dates, and that Jupiter and Venus met 33 days before August 12, meaning July 10, which doesn't work. So I need help.
Mary Daly
I have a blog also, marydaly.wordpress.com That is where I am posting about the Star. I would like to reference you, but need to get things straight first.
12/16/09 @ 11:08
so true
12/16/09 @ 18:47
Comment from: Mary Daly [Visitor]
One more thing. I see your argument that the second couse of Zachariah's priestly duties gives a wrong year, but what if it's the second tour of his priestly duties from the preceding year, year 4. That would back everything up six month and put Jesus' birth in the spring again. Is this not possible?
12/17/09 @ 08:53
Comment from: anthony trevor hopkins [Visitor] Email · http://fallencreature.wordpress.com/
Mary Daly will find the abstract here to be useful in clearing up "errors" in Carroll's artciles: http://www.denverastrosociety.org/dfiles/mickle/StarofBethlehem.pdf
12/25/09 @ 12:00
Why the Bethlehem Star has Five Corners and not six as in David's Cross?
12/25/09 @ 21:31
Comment from: Barb [Visitor]
WRONG!!!!
The STAR was always in the Bible account. You are avoiding the Historical facts. Barb
01/05/10 @ 11:07
Comment from: John Thorley [Visitor]
Many thanks for your interesting article. Some years ago I wrote two articles on historical aspects of the Nativity (Greece and Rome, April 1979, 81-84, and Greece and Rome, April 1981, 81-89), the second based largely on Martin's views as then published in 'The Birth of Christ Recalculated' (1978). The crux still remains the date of Herod's death. Josephus says (AJ 17.8.1 and WJ 1.33.8) that Herod reigned for 34 years since the death of Antigonus (when Herod actually took over Jerusalem), and 37 years since he was declared king by the Romans. These two events can be dated more or less accurately as late 40 (or early 39) for his declaration as king by the Roman Senate, and late 37 for his taking over in Jerusalem. This would put his death around late 3 or 2 BC.

There seems to me to be a strong case for the conjunction of Jupiter and Venus on 17 June 2 BC, with Mercury close by (see in Stellarium Planetarium for the year -1; it is quite dramatic), followed by the stationary position of Jupiter on or around 25 December, as being what motivated the Magi, perhaps with the earlier conjunctions of 7/6 BC being 'early warnings' of something afoot in Judaea. This means putting the death of Herod into early 1 BC - certainly not impossible in Josephus' scheme of dates. And this would certainly fit with Herod's killing spree in January 1 BC just before his death, and with the total lunar eclipse of 10 January (when the moon 'turned red' (I have actually seen this happen); it cannot do this at a partial eclipse, such as that on 14 March 4 BC)

The weight of evidence (the astronomy / astrology, Augustus' 25th jubilee celebrations of 2 BC, the timing of the events just before Herod's death as described by Josephus) seem to me to favour Jesus' birth in 2 BC (around 1 September if one wishes to interpret Revelation 12.1-5 as referring astrologically to Jesus' birth).

It is unfortunate that the period 6 BC - AD 4 is one of the more obscure parts chronologically of Augustus' reign. We probably have to accept that we shall never know for certain how all the details surrounding the Nativity fit together.

John Thorley
01/06/10 @ 05:30
Comment from: Don Hart [Visitor]
Dear Susan & all who have contributed.

I find this all very insightful & marvelous! I have often wondered about the Star & when & how & what it actually was. I believe very strongly that a combination of planetary events & positionings is most likely what God used--something gradual & observable by all, & dismissed by so many. Anything grander would be too "flashy" & obvious,
& I believe God wanted (& still wants) us to "search" for Him & see Him in "ordinary" things/events.
But there's one piece of information
on dating this event that is not covered here: the fact that Luke writes that "this was the FIRST (my emphasis) census that occured when Quirinius was governor of Syria". If this historical information can be found & dated, it should help pinpoint the event as well.
Happy searching, everyone!
Don Hart
01/21/10 @ 17:01
Comment from: Elmer Staebell [Visitor] · http://unaico-sitetalk.net
Hi..I am reading your page for a few days now is there any way to subscribe by email
02/28/10 @ 14:44

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